As I recall, Adam did not pull out his own rib and create a woman from it. He was actually having a nap when God took out his rib and formed Eve.

The cluster of cells growing inside a women – fetus, baby, whatever you want to call it – is not PART of the woman’s body. It is its own separate being that simply relies on the mother for shelter and nourishment while it develops. It has its own heartbeat, which clearly indicates that it is not just an extension of the mother. Also, it takes 2 people to create a child, and I think it is unfair that men (boyfriends and husbands, specifically – I’m not talking about rapists or incestuous brothers/fathers/etc) have no say in the fate of their child. 50% of the DNA that makes up that baby is from a man, and it is wrong that he cannot have a say in whether the child lives or dies. If the argument is for equal rights, then how can women demand total control over reproductive rights and then force the father of the child to pay child support for a baby that he may have wanted to put up for adoption or abort – or, perhaps worse, suffer the pain of never meeting their unborn child.

I realize that I cannot FORCE women to carry a child to term. If they want to get rid of it badly enough, they’ll find a way. It would be nice, however, if women WANTED to carry their children to term, and then give them up for adoption if they could not care for them.

I did not say that YOU specifically called the Tebow ad hate-filled, just that I have heard other people refer to it with such language. Also, I doubt many people stopped in the middle of the Super Bowl to go watch online videos from Focus on the Family.

I did not say that I am not a feminist. I just don’t consider myself to be part of the feminist movement. I suppose you could say I am a “Biblical feminist.” I think men and women should treat each other with respect. I think they each have their roles within the family, both of which are equally important. I also think that unborn children should not have to pay for their parents’ evil (rape/incest) and irresponsible (sex when you cannot afford to have a child) decisions. I do not see women in the US as being oppressed. We can vote, we can drive, we can have long and sucessful careers, etc etc. That’s a lot more than women in most countries can say. The majority of husbands in America view their wives as equals. My husband is actually in the kitchen right now making me a pizza =)

My momma taught me that just because you believe something to true doesn’t mean you always have to say it. “Stupid” was a poor choice of words. IMHO. Even if you were right, which I highly doubt. Fixed Air may disagree with you on a certain topic and you might not like how she responded, but that certainly doesn’t prove she is stupid.

And of course we’re interested. Reading the rest of your blog is on my To Do list.

shoutabyss :
Joseph, minor correction. Men mostly do not. As time goes by I think we’re going to see more and more of that sort of thing.
Calling someone “stupid” for an opinion on an issue like this is not very productive or nice, in my humble opinion.

How can you even smile about that? Men should not carry children, ever. Do you think it is neat to destroy the beauty that is the human body?

She ignores everything I have said about abortion, and her ignoring everything I have to say about this discussion isn’t productive either. Also, stupid means to have a lack of perception. Which she clearly does as she won’t see the adoption angle I’ve mentioned multiple times, but rather ignored it all together.

Joseph S. :

Women carry children, men do not. This is what makes women, women, and men, men. I think I’m finally understanding that this isn’t about abortion for you, it is you sharing with the world that you want women, to be just like men. Not to have equal rights, which you do, but that women shouldn’t have to carry babies either.

You really are fixed air. Fixed in your stubborn, stupid, and slurred ways.

Being able to carry children should not be the only thing that defines a woman. That’s a very sexist and caveman-like evaluation. A woman is not defined by her vagina and uterus. I never said that woman shouldn’t carry babies. That makes no sense.

Sure, maybe I’m stubborn, but so are you. I don’t even think you understand the name of this blog. I find it extremely rude that you would call me stupid. That violates basic rules of civility. Please do not return to this thread.

Calling someone “stupid” for an opinion on an issue like this is not very productive or nice, in my humble opinion.

Fixed Air, you wanted an abortion thread, did you not? Well, you got it.

My position on abortion has evolved over time. I used to be hardcore pro-choice. I’m still pro-choice, but my opinion over the allowable time periods has run decidedly conservative as I get older. It is not the sort of decision one should procrastinate about, I think.

On the other hand, those who oppose things like contraception and the morning after pill are still taking things way too far, which, in my opinion, is purely a crass strategy to move the fall-back compromise position. Don’t waste time using what you really want as a starting point. Rather, start by asking for the moon.

You really are fixed air. Fixed in your stubborn, stupid, and slurred ways.

Pregnancy is supposed to be miraculous – I want kids someday, and I’m not knocking pregnancy, just the notion that a woman should not have complete autonomy over her own body. And you truly cannot force a woman to remain pregnant for adoptive purposes. The Tebow ad was manipulative in that it appeared cute, but once you visit the Focus on the Family website, you will see numerous biased videos and misinformation on abortion. I never said it was “hate-filled”.

Your use of the phrase “the feminist movement” is troublesome. You seem to be treating feminism as an unfamiliar “other”. Feminism is nothing more than the notion that women should have the same rights as men. The term feminism is often misconstrued, and when I hear a woman say “No, I’m not a feminist,” I cannot help but pity her. Gender inequality is still a prevalent issue in this century, and all women should fight for their rights as human beings.